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I have a feeling Hermione is losing her shit right about now.

worth it

Yooooo! This is incredible lol

Incineration said:
only the ones in the UK suffer directly from it.

Okay, how exactly do they "suffer" directly from living in the same country as the big bad terf? I doubt they have to so much as say good morning to her on an everyday basis.

Incineration said:
If hypocrisy could hurt...

I mean, I was trying just a bit to accommodate the poor mods after everything I've put them through before (though I will insist it takes two to tango), but here we go: Promoting trans stuff to children in schools, having people fined and put in prison for not agreeing with trans people is obviously, objectively far more provocative than anything YaroslavGh and I have said on this site.

AlsoSprachOdin said in comment #2636328:

Okay, how exactly do they "suffer" directly from living in the same country as the big bad terf?

Do you ever think before you subject others to your inane bullshit? She is funding anti-trans groups with the goal of undoing any progress towards improving trans rights, a noteworthy case being in 2024 with For Women Scotland who managed to get the recognition of trans women as women by law revoked.
The worst part is that any ant-trans laws are actively harming cis women as well because people can use legalized transphobia as a defense for harassment. And of course it puts children at an even greater risk, regardless of gender identity, as seen with the Texas Women's Privacy Act.

And there is no such thing as "promoting" trans stuff to children. It's eduction with the explicit goal of avoiding psychological damage common in trans people by letting them actually know that they aren't a unique case who needs to pretend to be something they're not.
And I can't state this enough but apparently I need to: gender identity isn't a choice, you're born with it, and no amount of brainwashing by transphobes will change a child's gender identity, neither will any amount of gender education turn a cis child trans.

Incineration said in comment #2636332:
undoing any progress towards improving trans rights [...] managed to get the recognition of trans women as women by law revoked.

If trans people are allowed to hold beliefs contrary to other people's, others should be allowed their own beliefs contrary to those of trans people. This revocation is an improvement of everyone else's right to disagree (as opposed to being arrested, prosecuted and punished). To think you have a right to not be disagreed with is incredibly self-entitled, and anyone who wants people punished for disagreeing with them is a bully. And as far as suffering goes I just don't think it's that bad.

Incineration said in comment #2636332:
ant-trans laws

Which ones? A revocation is not a law. Is it?

Incineration said in comment #2636332:
It's eduction with the explicit goal

Potahto. I could talk about a teacher pushing the exact opposite ideas with the the exact same phrasing, and I know if a teacher did that you'd want that to stop too. The "transphobic" position is simply that both sides leave the children alone, but I don't expect you're willing to treat others as you wish to be treated.

Incineration said in comment #2636332:
neither will any amount of gender education turn a cis child trans.

And yet we have plenty of examples of de-transition, of people who grew up to deeply regret having been convinced they were trans as children, and having had trans therapy and surgery. This didn't use to be a problem, so clearly, people can be made to get their gender identity wrong.

At least the child is really cute.

AlsoSprachOdin said in comment #2636366:

Potahto. I could talk about a teacher pushing the exact opposite ideas with the the exact same phrasing, and I know if a teacher did that you'd want that to stop too. The "transphobic" position is simply that both sides leave the children alone, but I don't expect you're willing to treat others as you wish to be treated.

Not teaching about gender-identity is the opposite
approach to teaching about it. How do want to stop "not teaching about something" if a teacher did that?
And no, you don't get to pretend its just about leaving children alone. If it was, then there wouldn't be so much effort and lobbying by people like Rowling to make the life of Trans-people harder who already made their choice and are fine with it.

And yet we have plenty of examples of de-transition, of people who grew up to deeply regret having been convinced they were trans as children, and having had trans therapy and surgery. This didn't use to be a problem, so clearly, people can be made to get their gender identity wrong.

It didn't feel like a problem because there was less data available and it wasn't talked much about in the public discourse. Doesn't mean people are more likely to regret the therapy these days.

Saiko said in comment #2636495:
Not teaching about gender-identity is the opposite approach to teaching about it.

Do you REALLY want to argue the semantics of whether 0 or -1 is the "real" opposite of 1? It just seems like getting off topic, and the actual argument of equally not propagandizing to children is being ignored.

Saiko said:
How do want to stop "not teaching about something" if a teacher did that?

Please, read your own reply before posting it, it is unclear what you mean by this.

Saiko said:
so much effort and lobbying by people like Rowling to make the life of Trans-people harder

That's very vague and doesn't tell me much about the hardship Rowling allegedly inflicts on any children, but my strong impression is that if the children were just left alone they wouldn't become trans in the first place. Because that's how it used to be.

Saiko said in comment #2636495:
It didn't feel like a problem because there was less data available and it wasn't talked much about in the public discourse.

Oh yeah, the old "there was plenty of gender dysphoria in the middle ages, we just don't have documentation". Great argument, except ACCHTUALLY there was NO gender dysphoria at all!
My source? Same as yours!
Seriously, it's just speculation. An absence of evidence is not evidence of lots of people wanting gender reassignment.

TBH original is better...
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Added translation request tag, there some faint korean (?) text up top on and near the pillow. Please edit the tags if it's not actually korean, I'm not quite sure.