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Gastrodgf said in comment #2645510:
Current Events - Localisation discourse over Daitaku Helios, newly added into the Global version.
"Discourse" over this is really funny because this is one of the few times where I think the English translation being full of zoomer slang and meme references actually makes sense; because isn't that the closest analog to the gyaru slang she uses in the original JP?
Gastrodgf said in comment #2645510:
Current Events - Localisation discourse over Daitaku Helios, newly added into the Global version.
alphashitlord said in comment #2645863:
"Discourse" over this is really funny because this is one of the few times where I think the English translation being full of zoomer slang and meme references actually makes sense; because isn't that the closest analog to the gyaru slang she uses in the original JP?
Whenever people defend localization, they basically go , "ermmm Japanese is a highly contextual language that you cannot comprehend unless you study Murasaki Shikibu's entire literature and derivatives. Even then, its nouns require three translators because they change depending on the phase of the moon." To defend a character's gyaru rendering and butcher her characterisation to a quirkychungus zoomer who says, "Highkey sussy rizz, 'kay?" Bet, no cap... Skibidi?" As if valley girls don't exist and couldn't have borrowed from their slang and syntax.
"Toreppi," "ojou," the "cchi" suffix, and "paisen" are the Japanese equivalent of Jabberwocky and are thus difficult for English audiences to understand. Therefore, translating them as "BB Flo," "Rubae," "Palmz," "Memmy B," or "Ogurizz" is better.
alphashitlord said in comment #2645863:
"Discourse" over this is really funny because this is one of the few times where I think the English translation being full of zoomer slang and meme references actually makes sense; because isn't that the closest analog to the gyaru slang she uses in the original JP?
Eh not really, I think gyaru slang is more like the Japanese version of valley girl
Cholesterolicon said in comment #2645778:
>no cap
I hate localizers
It's in line with the rest of her dialogue so I'm not seeing what the problem is
iori98 said in comment #2645788:
It's in line with the rest of her dialogue so I'm not seeing what the problem is
"Butchering a character's personality and characterisation into a quirkychungus zoomer who says skibidi 67 no cap fanum tax is actually a good translation"
deliriumfleur said in comment #2645868:
"Butchering a character's personality and characterisation into a quirkychungus zoomer who says skibidi 67 no cap fanum tax is actually a good translation"
I'm curious, though: how would you translate Helios' speech, if you were given the job? You can't really say 'oh I'd just translate her normally' because slang is a part of her character: she's a highly enthusiastic paripi gyaru, that has to come through in how she speaks. Valley Girl probably gets fairly close to it, but that's a bit dated by now.
Kazzius said in comment #2646082:
I'm curious, though: how would you translate Helios' speech, if you were given the job? You can't really say 'oh I'd just translate her normally' because slang is a part of her character: she's a highly enthusiastic paripi gyaru, that has to come through in how she speaks. Valley Girl probably gets fairly close to it, but that's a bit dated by now.
"But that's a bit dated by now." The whole point is that she speaks in outdated slang. Make her a valley girl, or give her a Californian accent, and keep a few terms that gyarus actually use. Allow the audience to be a bit confused. If I couldn't use any actual gyaru slang, I'd try to weave in 2000s English slang without overwhelming the text. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. Much of gyaru-go is wasai eigo, or borrowed English words that have been made Japanese-friendly. They're mostly just shortened versions of English words, and they aren't exclusive to gyarus.
Imagine being uninterested in learning about Japan’s gyaru culture and instead, wanting to alter the original product. She's quirky, but not in the way of a dopamine-fried TikTok kid who spams "Skibidi Toilet," "67," and "Hawk Tuah" at school. I'm surprised they haven't localized her to say "OK boomer" to Maruzensky yet, or "I can has cheezburger?" redditisms. How do justify "Wahey! What's the matter?! Even if I'm tired, the vibers are immaculate, 'kay? Bet, no cap... skibidi?" as a profesional translation? Gyaru culture is in no way comparable to the brainrot your unsupervised cousin accesses online. It would if I translated Holden Caulfield's locution to a fandom kid who calls his sister his "Glup Shitto" just because he's a teenage boy.
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