Umm Context?

yefta said in comment #2618208:

Umm Context?

A recent change to the pity system that made it a lot less generous.
See blue archive gacha update and comment #2618200 for more details.

The Hoyo pity system is so ass. Sure, you're guaranteed your character of choice earlier (in theory), since Hoyo games themselves guarantee a five star at 90 pulls, thus needing 180 at most, and pity carries over between banners, but sparking is still better overall because it isn't affected by the results of your pulls.
You could get the mythical double five star pull and you would still keep building pity towards a different character.
Just because Hoyo gets away with it doesn't mean other companies have to copy it, see OG Arknights vs Endfield.
And the devs actually changing the system for an existing game is not only scummy beyond belief, it also sets a terrible precedent for other companies to follow.
Hopefully the backlash will be enough to unfuck the situation.

Incineration said in comment #2618273:

The Hoyo pity system is so ass. Sure, you're guaranteed your character of choice earlier (in theory), since Hoyo games themselves guarantee a five star at 90 pulls, thus needing 180 at most, and pity carries over between banners, but sparking is still better overall because it isn't affected by the results of your pulls.
You could get the mythical double five star pull and you would still keep building pity towards a different character.
Just because Hoyo gets away with it doesn't mean other companies have to copy it, see OG Arknights vs Endfield.
And the devs actually changing the system for an existing game is not only scummy beyond belief, it also sets a terrible precedent for other companies to follow.
Hopefully the backlash will be enough to unfuck the situation.

Considering who is now leading the charge for the company trying to increase their bottom line?

I'm very doubtful they'll listen.

OG Nexon might balk under the backlash but an EA CEO?

They'll just double down on it.

Great example of rather than just increasing your bottom line you wind up destroying it.

Incineration said in comment #2618273:

The Hoyo pity system is so ass. Sure, you're guaranteed your character of choice earlier (in theory), since Hoyo games themselves guarantee a five star at 90 pulls, thus needing 180 at most, and pity carries over between banners, but sparking is still better overall because it isn't affected by the results of your pulls.
You could get the mythical double five star pull and you would still keep building pity towards a different character.
Just because Hoyo gets away with it doesn't mean other companies have to copy it, see OG Arknights vs Endfield.
And the devs actually changing the system for an existing game is not only scummy beyond belief, it also sets a terrible precedent for other companies to follow.
Hopefully the backlash will be enough to unfuck the situation.

And then there's Fate/Go. What it is now, something like 351 pulls before your guarantee? And there's 0 guarantee for 4*.
There are some that are thankfully kind to their players and can even be successfully played F2P but yeah most get blinded by that greed.

Don't let nexon take away our student, keep fighting sensei 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥.

OG Nexon might balk under the backlash but an EA CEO?

They'll just double down on it.

Great example of rather than just increasing your bottom line you wind up destroying it.

I hate Soderlund to an unhealthy degree. Draining the lake to get the fish faster. Bet he is behind western management's recent bs as well (very unlikely but I want to blame him anyway).

UNOwens said in comment #2618362:

And then there's Fate/Go. What it is now, something like 351 pulls before your guarantee? And there's 0 guarantee for 4*.
There are some that are thankfully kind to their players and can even be successfully played F2P but yeah most get blinded by that greed.

Yeah, hearing about gachas like this, I feel like SD Gundam G Generation Eternal is pretty lenient with its gacha system, what with the "Guaranteed UR (i.e, a 5-star) at 100 pulls" format they use by default, without even factoring in things like tickets for free pulls gained from various sources (most events will offer enough free tickets for a 10-pull on the limited banner for the event upon clearing said event's story missions, for one).

UNOwens said in comment #2618362:

And then there's Fate/Go. What it is now, something like 351 pulls before your guarantee? And there's 0 guarantee for 4*.
There are some that are thankfully kind to their players and can even be successfully played F2P but yeah most get blinded by that greed.

To be fair, FGO's gacha changes have been done to move in positive directions even if the pity is still ass (that's how low a bar Nexon has set). And when players created an uproar over how the servant coin system changes (adding two new useful passive effects) a couple of years ago indirectly makes the gacha worse the devs refunded all used coins up to that point and made changes to the coin system so that you're not pressured to pull for more coins by letting you change which passive skills to make active at no extra cost. FGO's gacha isn't great by an measure but the community generally is accepting of it due to usually(keyword) not needing dupes and how the game doesn't monetize anything else.

Nexon has recently come out with a "clarification" that there's a rebate system that gives back 40 free pulls leading up to the 200 milestone from what I understand (feel free to correct me on the numbers) but double downed on removing the spark system. They mentioned the rebate during the announcement but gave no details at the time so most senseis believe they were waiting to see how bad the backlash was before announcing how little of those free pulls they can get away with.

They also announced paid eleph packages from what I understand. And elephs were something that a number of senseis who push the harder content used the spark system to help alleviate the enhancement process so make of that what you will.

I still maintain that the milestone ticket system that Nikke and Trickcal are using is the best pity system since it's not directly tied to the ongoing banner and they basically never reset so you're offered a lot of flexibility on how you want to use it. Trickcal even additionally uses a spark system in its color banners so you can do multiple things in your game. Amazing.

escav said in comment #2618507:

To be fair, FGO's gacha changes have been done to move in positive directions even if the pity is still ass (that's how low a bar Nexon has set). And when players created an uproar over how the servant coin system changes (adding two new useful passive effects) a couple of years ago indirectly makes the gacha worse the devs refunded all used coins up to that point and made changes to the coin system so that you're not pressured to pull for more coins by letting you change which passive skills to make active at no extra cost. FGO's gacha isn't great by an measure but the community generally is accepting of it due to usually(keyword) not needing dupes and how the game doesn't monetize anything else.

Nexon has recently come out with a "clarification" that there's a rebate system that gives back 40 free pulls leading up to the 200 milestone from what I understand (feel free to correct me on the numbers) but double downed on removing the spark system. They mentioned the rebate during the announcement but gave no details at the time so most senseis believe they were waiting to see how bad the backlash was before announcing how little of those free pulls they can get away with.

They also announced paid eleph packages from what I understand. And elephs were something that a number of senseis who push the harder content used the spark system to help alleviate the enhancement process so make of that what you will.

I still maintain that the milestone ticket system that Nikke and Trickcal are using is the best pity system since it's not directly tied to the ongoing banner and they basically never reset so you're offered a lot of flexibility on how you want to use it. Trickcal even additionally uses a spark system in its color banners so you can do multiple things in your game. Amazing.

The rebate will go away after this event, no? I'm asking because the seemingly vague wording in the announcement, but my japanese is very limited and machine translation didn't help at all, so I can't be 100% sure. But since we're talking about Patrick Soderlund and Nexon here, it's prudent to always assume the worst and then some from them.

Still a huge downgrade either way.

Every sensei united after this change, and I'm ngl, even the most dedicated senseis feel absolutely awful about this.

Keep fighting senseis, even if becomes meaningless, you can at least say you tried and keep on some hope, BA is all about making the impossible possible, so it's no harm to at the very least leave a complaint.

May you all have a great week senseis, and let's hope for the best yeah?

Darth_Schale_Sensei said in comment #2618533:

Every sensei united after this change, and I'm ngl, even the most dedicated senseis feel absolutely awful about this.

Keep fighting senseis, even if becomes meaningless, you can at least say you tried and keep on some hope, BA is all about making the impossible possible, so it's no harm to at the very least leave a complaint.

May you all have a great week senseis, and let's hope for the best yeah?

Isn't the JP playerbase more than ok with the changes?

Provence said in comment #2618534:

Isn't the JP playerbase more than ok with the changes?

No, they're extremely mixed on it

blindVigil said in comment #2618535:

No, they're extremely mixed on it

They're already prepping to bend over though. "Just submit a complaint form", "Foreign comments are too harsh".
I fucking hate how meek they are. No wonder their shit keeps getting vandalized by westerners.

Elgato said in comment #2618598:

They're already prepping to bend over though. "Just submit a complaint form", "Foreign comments are too harsh".
I fucking hate how meek they are. No wonder their shit keeps getting vandalized by westerners.

Yeah, it's annoying reading through replies to the producer's crap excuse for an "apology" and seeing either, "Thank you for speaking up! My fears have been quelled! I'll play BA until I die!" even though he didn’t explain shit and completely ignored the actual complaints, or, in response to even the lightest criticism, "You can't be that harsh. No matter how upset you are, you need to be nice. They're just trying their best, you know?"

If they dropped this shit on CN or KR the way they dropped it on JP, there would have been actual fire bombings. Which, I'm not condoning, just saying it would not have been taken as well.

I'll sideline my bitterness over the BA fanbase and instead root for y'all. It'll be hard though.

Elgato said in comment #2618530:

The rebate will go away after this event, no? I'm asking because the seemingly vague wording in the announcement, but my japanese is very limited and machine translation didn't help at all, so I can't be 100% sure. But since we're talking about Patrick Soderlund and Nexon here, it's prudent to always assume the worst and then some from them.

Still a huge downgrade either way.

Rebates are limited to the current banner and you can't pick up where you left off on the next one.

However the pity counter that guarantees you a 3 star on 100 pulls and the featured student in 200 will carry over on the same type of gacha (e.g. limited and fes banners are not the same type so they don't share the counter, but the counter on their respective banners carry to the next banner of the same type).

So theoretically you can do an impulse 10 roll on someone you kinda want and even if you don't get her then it still contributes to the counter for someone else in the future instead of turning into useless crafting rocks. Make of that what you will. You can see it as a good thing or you can see it as Nexon making the bait shinier.

veteran mabi player here
nexon's not gonna listen.

space_time_continuum said in comment #2618825:

veteran mabi player here
nexon's not gonna listen.

Yeah, I've come to peace with it. One less thing for me to spend money on, I guess.
I'm just going to be F2P until good ol Patrick convinces them to start vandalizing the designs and overall setting, or when western management finally does something unforgivable.

blindVigil said in comment #2618600:

Yeah, it's annoying reading through replies to the producer's crap excuse for an "apology" and seeing either, "Thank you for speaking up! My fears have been quelled! I'll play BA until I die!" even though he didn’t explain shit and completely ignored the actual complaints, or, in response to even the lightest criticism, "You can't be that harsh. No matter how upset you are, you need to be nice. They're just trying their best, you know?"

If they dropped this shit on CN or KR the way they dropped it on JP, there would have been actual fire bombings. Which, I'm not condoning, just saying it would not have been taken as well.

Isn't this game primarily a KR based one?

Well we might just get that wish Nexon already had a history thanks to the MapleStory fiasco on KR once this hits the KR server they are not gonna take this lying down.