I have tatar friend from crimea funny story usergore but persecution bullshit

Folks these days know nothing of the horrific crimes the Soviets committed.

"Crimean Tatar people"
Wait, I thought Tatars were the Mongols, and if we were just talking about Russia pushing out the golden horde or whatever, I'd be entirely in favor of such "persecution".
Wikipedia: "Initially, the ethnonym Tatar possibly referred to the Tatar confederation. That confederation was eventually incorporated into the Mongol Empire when Genghis Khan unified the various steppe tribes.
Historically, the term Tatar (or Tartar) was applied by western cartographers to anyone from the vast Northern and Central Asian landmass then known as Tartary, a term that was falsely conflated with the Mongol Empire.
More recently, the term has come to refer more narrowly to related ethnic groups who call themselves Tatars.
[...] While also speaking languages belonging to different Kipchak sub-groups, genetic studies have shown that the three main groups of Tatars (Volga, Crimean, and Siberian) are apparently unrelated, and thus their formation occurred independently of one another, but it is possible that at least one of the Tatar groups had cultural influence mainly from the times of the Golden Horde."
And according to the map of various Tatar people they're a bit everywhere from Finland to China. So god damn, you really DO have to specify the Crimean bit. As ever, I hate semantic bleaching.

Also wikipedia: "The Crimean Khanate and the Kazakh Khanate, the last remnants of the Golden Horde, survived until 1783 and 1847 respectively, when they were conquered by the expanding Russian state."
OH MY LORD it really was the fucking golden horde! Or whatever was left. So in a purely historical lens, I find "they still can’t live in crimea due to the russian occupation" really rather appropriate.

Lithium1995 said in comment #2637269:
Folks these days know nothing of the horrific crimes the Soviets committed.

Worse than I think you think and yet the mongols might actually have been worse.

AlsoSprachOdin said in comment #2637307:

"Crimean Tatar people"
Wait, I thought Tatars were the Mongols, and if we were just talking about Russia pushing out the golden horde or whatever, I'd be entirely in favor of such "persecution".
Wikipedia: "Initially, the ethnonym Tatar possibly referred to the Tatar confederation. That confederation was eventually incorporated into the Mongol Empire when Genghis Khan unified the various steppe tribes.
Historically, the term Tatar (or Tartar) was applied by western cartographers to anyone from the vast Northern and Central Asian landmass then known as Tartary, a term that was falsely conflated with the Mongol Empire.
More recently, the term has come to refer more narrowly to related ethnic groups who call themselves Tatars.
[...] While also speaking languages belonging to different Kipchak sub-groups, genetic studies have shown that the three main groups of Tatars (Volga, Crimean, and Siberian) are apparently unrelated, and thus their formation occurred independently of one another, but it is possible that at least one of the Tatar groups had cultural influence mainly from the times of the Golden Horde."
And according to the map of various Tatar people they're a bit everywhere from Finland to China. So god damn, you really DO have to specify the Crimean bit. As ever, I hate semantic bleaching.

Also wikipedia: "The Crimean Khanate and the Kazakh Khanate, the last remnants of the Golden Horde, survived until 1783 and 1847 respectively, when they were conquered by the expanding Russian state."
OH MY LORD it really was the fucking golden horde! Or whatever was left. So in a purely historical lens, I find "they still can’t live in crimea due to the russian occupation" really rather appropriate.

I just notice "1783" date on artwork... year of annexation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1783_Russian_annexation_of_Crimea
year annexation of slave state crimean khanate
why is crimean tatar identity crimean khanate? crimean khanate was sponsor of enslavement of ukranian people, and ukranians think "russia bad" for putting end to it?