This shouldn't fall under homophobia because marking it as such would require everything like raceplay elements such as queen of spades to require a racism tag.
No one is being harmed or outright mistreated against their will in this image, this is closer to orientation play.
Fishing for Western Identity Politics should have no quarter on Danbooru.
Mods please review such this prevent future potential tag wars over such.
This shouldn't fall under homophobia because marking it as such would require everything like raceplay elements such as queen of spades to require a racism tag.
That should be the case to begin with, but that's beside the point. The issue is the artist referring to heterosexuality as factory settings, as if any other sexual orientation is a deviation which can be "fixed", which is without any doubt homophobic. The fact that they're explicitly under the influence of alcohol and as such not in full control of themselves also calls the consent into question.
The only reason I didn't add the tag immediately was because I can see how some people might not see the issue right away, but coming back to it later it was definitely the right decision to add it.
That should be the case to begin with, but that's beside the point. The issue is the artist referring to heterosexuality as factory settings, as if any other sexual orientation is a deviation which can be "fixed", which is without any doubt homophobic. The fact that they're explicitly under the influence of alcohol and as such not in full control of themselves also calls the consent into question.
The only reason I didn't add the tag immediately was because I can see how some people might not see the issue right away, but coming back to it later it was definitely the right decision to add it.
Then you aren't familiar with the source material. These are not biological human females. While the implication might be that alcohol influences decisions (Which it does) the two "girls" depicted here are T-dolls which are a form of gynoid that might have some limited capacity to mimic human biological processes but ultimately only do such in rudimentary ways such as: AA_12/Lind's ability to experience something akin to nerve-sensory-response Spas-12/Sabrina's ability to process some degree of biological material for energy in a way mimicking how mammals derive energy via food. Mosin-Nangant is hinted at via dialogue being able to recreate a state of drunkenness but given that is dialogue that occurs roughly 10 years after GFL2 the presence of these 2 T-dolls from GFL1 there might be a gap in abilities as to what states could be properly recreated in T-dolls but the lore is fuzzy at such small details
This makes the "Factory Setting" comment turn into a pun as they're referring to T-dolls which take on the form of Gynoids.
Therefore you are referring to biological states, conditions, and social issues that do not apply to a game that basically focuses on military-style robots in large-scale warfare and other such dramatic themes.
No real humans are depicted here. No false humans are depicted here. It is a joke that directly references the world and lore of the Girls' Frontline franchise.
Whether you find it in bad-taste or not is up to personal preference but even the concerns you laid out here are not relevant to the joke.
You're very lost in the sauce there. The caption doesn't reference the T-doll-ness, you've just applied that. It could've been drawn with different characters too for the same effect. I don't think homophobia quite applies, and I'm surprised we don't have a tag for this sort of "lesbian correction" trope, but your yapping about lore doesn't change what's being portrayed here.
I am familiar with the source material, doesn't change the fact that artists tend to ignore it, nor the artist's intention in this case. There's no cheeky joke being made since the text explicitly says "lesbian friends", the only reason M4 and AR-15 are used in place of generic human women is because the artist draws primarily GFL art. Homophobia is homophobia, regardless of context. Just because you don't know the meaning of a slur doesn't make it not racist to use it either. You thinking this is fine doesn't change things.
Incineration said in comment #2605972: referring to heterosexuality as factory settings, as if any other sexual orientation is a deviation which can be "fixed"
No, a factory reset doesn't make everything proper, or you'd never install anything new on your computer. The implication is heterosexuality is the default, not correct. And historically that seems a reasonable assessment. You might as well say that "so is spaghetti until it gets wet" is heterophobic to say.
Incineration said in comment #2605972: The fact that they're explicitly under the influence of alcohol and as such not in full control of themselves also calls the consent into question.
"Why does no one want to have drunk sex anymore!?" shouted the drunk, frustrated and normally shy woman at the hapless guy playing it safe. People like you should be the ones getting shouted at in that room. And of course this line of thinking is indeed only ever applied to women. The guy in the picture might be drunk too, but no mention of that.
I am familiar with the source material, doesn't change the fact that artists tend to ignore it, nor the artist's intention in this case. There's no cheeky joke being made since the text explicitly says "lesbian friends", the only reason M4 and AR-15 are used in place of generic human women is because the artist draws primarily GFL art. Homophobia is homophobia, regardless of context. Just because you don't know the meaning of a slur doesn't make it not racist to use it either. You thinking this is fine doesn't change things.
in this case you are assigning an intention under your own beliefs while saying the fact that the T-dollness doesn't matter despite it being the majority of what the artist draws.
This is not logical.
Homophobia is not applicable because you ignore the fact this is what the Artist primarily focuses on to make it into something hateful when T-dolls can quite literally be factory reset.
You're very lost in the sauce there. The caption doesn't reference the T-doll-ness, you've just applied that.
Sir I am on an image board that focuses primarily on Japanese drawings and culture. I come here specifically to get lost in the technicality of this website. It's literally the spirit of said things and the entire point of this place is the tagging-attribution system.
in this case you are assigning an intention under your own beliefs while saying the fact that the T-dollness doesn't matter despite it being the majority of what the artist draws.
Holy shit you're dense. Fine, let me spell it out for you. There is nothing in canon depicting either of them as any sexuality. The artist could have just drawn them under the assumption that they're straight, as he did in his other works. Instead he purposely depicted them as lesbian for the sake degradation. And the factory reset part isn't a proper argument, as the base layer programming determining a Doll's personality cannot be modified. If their creator makes one of them gay then it won't change no matter how many times they're reset. The only way to do so would be to completely wipe their Neural Cloud and program a new one, but at that point that's an entirely different person.
The implication is heterosexuality is the default, not correct. And historically that seems a reasonable assessment.
The phrasing doesn't change anything, because saying it's the default setting still implies that it's an unnatural change. And arguing history when homosexuality has existed since the dawn of mankind, not to mention amongst other animals, is just your usual level of stupidity.
You might as well say that "so is spaghetti until it gets wet" is heterophobic to say.
Holy shit you're dense. Fine, let me spell it out for you. There is nothing in canon depicting either of them as any sexuality. The artist could have just drawn them under the assumption that they're straight, as he did in his other works. Instead he purposely depicted them as lesbian for the sake degradation. And the factory reset part isn't a proper argument, as the base layer programming determining a Doll's personality cannot be modified. If their creator makes one of them gay then it won't change no matter how many times they're reset. The only way to do so would be to completely wipe their Neural Cloud and program a new one, but at that point that's an entirely different person.
I am not dense. I am just not falling for your deception to try and assign malice to this piece.
Because now you're saying the neural clouds and base-layer programming of the doll matter. That's fine, good.
So the alcohol portion factoring into dubious consent you claimed earlier no longer applies? Why would you bring that part up earlier if not to assign an intention of your own view to it, particularly one of malice and discrimination because that how YOU wanted to feel about it.
Also you're saying it's degrading for them to be lesbian and shown engaging in heterosexual acts.
But as was my entire point at the start - this is not hateful nor degrading. It's just closer to an orientation play kink that is posted with a pair of gynoids.
Therefore I think it's more rational to conclude this is not something akin to homophobia or hatred of lesbians or alternative sexualities. It's just a niche kink and a joke one could argue is untasteful but up to personal preference.
Thus I disputed it because I don't want the community to be mislead by people who take offense to this.
I have decided a much easier way to get around all this speculation is to ask the artist him/herself if this was done with any intention of malice or mockery.
Their response about their own works should determine such and I think that's a fair way to go about it.
I do commend Incinerations sticking to their principles and saying all these niche kinks should be seen as some form of discrimination, I do not think they should be viewed under the lens of harm nor malice.
So chill because, most likely, dgkamikaze wanted to draw 2 hot babes suckin on a dong with orientation play added to get patreon bucks. (Since this image is stated to be a preview of a larger piece)
Update - If you go any look at the actual link on Patreon it says "Part 1 of lovey dovey time with these two BFFs"
This is all literally just a dumb joke and not hateful at all given that evidence.
I will never understand people who try to build an ontological analysis of fetish art.
This post was made for people to jerk off to. There's no other reason for its existence. How hard can that be to understand?
You're spending hours debating about whether this is homophobic or derogatory only for someone to come here with his dick out and laugh at you while he strokes it.
Anyway I added it to sexuality change, hopefully people can expand the tag so that we can beat our meat more efficiently.
Incineration said in comment #2605995: The phrasing doesn't change anything, because saying it's the default setting still implies that it's an unnatural change. [...] homosexuality has existed since the dawn of mankind
The mistake is in anyone conflating nature with good or deviation from nature with bad; ebola and parasites are natural but I could do just fine without them. Hermaphrodites have also existed since the dawn of whatever, and they are both naturally occurring and a deviation from the norm. You make this conflation, but clearly I do not, and whether the artist does is unknown until Kioswan gets a reply.
nonamethanks said in comment #2606009: I will never understand people who try to build an ontological analysis of fetish art.
I have decided a much easier way to get around all this speculation is to ask the artist him/herself if this was done with any intention of malice or mockery.
Their response about their own works should determine such and I think that's a fair way to go about it.
I do commend Incinerations sticking to their principles and saying all these niche kinks should be seen as some form of discrimination, I do not think they should be viewed under the lens of harm nor malice.
So chill because, most likely, dgkamikaze wanted to draw 2 hot babes suckin on a dong with orientation play added to get patreon bucks. (Since this image is stated to be a preview of a larger piece)
Update - If you go any look at the actual link on Patreon it says "Part 1 of lovey dovey time with these two BFFs"
This is all literally just a dumb joke and not hateful at all given that evidence.
funny part is, these people should go see what DG has been drawing and posting recently. they have no sense of humor and everything is taken to heart. if a damn drawing is so damn offensive to you maybe you should just blacklist the artist and move on with your life. there's plenty shit to find offensive being posted on Danbooru on a daily basis. you don't see people having literal meltdowns on comments.
funny part is, these people should go see what DG has been drawing and posting recently. they have no sense of humor and everything is taken to heart. if a damn drawing is so damn offensive to you maybe you should just blacklist the artist and move on with your life. there's plenty shit to find offensive being posted on Danbooru on a daily basis. you don't see people having literal meltdowns on comments.
tldr. get rekt, use the black list features.
Only ones having a melt down are you and kioswan and the legion of butt hurt losers spamming the downvote because two people posted a opinion nothing less but keep on being dense
funny part is, these people should go see what DG has been drawing and posting recently. they have no sense of humor and everything is taken to heart. if a damn drawing is so damn offensive to you maybe you should just blacklist the artist and move on with your life. there's plenty shit to find offensive being posted on Danbooru on a daily basis. you don't see people having literal meltdowns on comments.
tldr. get rekt, use the black list features.
Note that the conversation was about whether the post should be tagged with homophobia, which would make it easier for users to blacklist these. Artist blacklists are only really effective if you don't want to see anything from that artist at all, but it won't prevent you from seeing other posts like this. Blacklisting sexuality change would be more effective than blacklisting the artist, but it's underpopulated and wasn't even mentioned until nonamethanks brought it up, so some of the commenters might not have even realized it was an option.
Users that have a difference in opinion about tagging should not be equated with users that are just commenting to complain about posts. That said, I think a conversation about whether these fetish posts cross the line into homophobia would be more productive to have on the forums then in the comments.
Only ones having a melt down are you and kioswan and the legion of butt hurt losers spamming the downvote because two people posted a opinion nothing less but keep on being dense
melt down, my dog im telling yall to use a feature on the site to not see shit you dont wanna, there's plenty of racist, bad ideological stuff posted on a minute by minute standard, instead of spewing it on text yall can literally tag it, if the tag dont stick, block the mf who made, if you dont wanna block the mf, i can go further, you can go to your advanced settings custom CSS code and make the literal post VANISH. you arguing with the walls bro, this a gooner site, most people will point and laugh at you. get real.
I do agree with Incineration that this piece is homophobic. Lesbian women do not change sexual orientation when drunk. Furthermore, the piece portrays hetero sex as the normal default orientation (as evident with that “factory settings” caption), and by extension implies that lesbian identity is deviant or abnormal. Such a notion is inherently homophobic.
ClockworkWriter said in comment #2610892: The sheer amount of cope from homophobes here is incredible. Mass downvote all you want, not gonna change it.
Nah man, I'm being downvoted too.
Roldedlor said in comment #2617117: Niggas arguing about political technicalities over a titties art.
I do agree with Incineration that this piece is homophobic. Lesbian women do not change sexual orientation when drunk. Furthermore, the piece portrays hetero sex as the normal default orientation (as evident with that “factory settings” caption), and by extension implies that lesbian identity is deviant or abnormal. Such a notion is inherently homophobic.
The only inference I draw from "reset to factory settings" is that the orientation has changed, not that the current one is better or worse. There's also no implication that everyone has the same factory settings, only that these two girls' factory default is to be straight. Hell, I would argue that it's possible they're just bi who prefer women when sober and men when drunk.
Having said that, I agree that generally orientation play is extremely unrealistic. But no more than genderswap or futanari or weird rape-but-they-like-it bullshit.
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