Merryweather aka "Nintendoboy" greatly disaproves.

FedorSh said:

Merryweather aka "Nintendoboy" greatly disaproves.

Am I being downvoted by nintendoboys?

FedorSh said:

Am I being downvoted by nintendoboys?

I don't get it either. They tend to just vote rather than explain.

Does this deserve a Current Events?

Alabel said:

Does this deserve a Current Events?

No, because while this comic coincides with the gabecube's announcement, it's not about the Steam Machine and the history of "Valve wins by doing nothing" has been a common theme in PC gaming space for a long time.

AlsoSprachOdin said:

I don't get it either. They tend to just vote rather than explain.

Seems some dude just spent time of his life to downvote all my comments on this website. What a loser.

FedorSh said:

Seems some dude just spent time of his life to downvote all my comments on this website. What a loser.

You're just as big a loser for caring so much about worthless social credit.

FedorSh said:

Seems some dude just spent time of his life to downvote all my comments on this website. What a loser.

Contact a mod or admin about it. Indiscriminately downvoting a specific user's comments is against the rules and the mods can see who voted on what.

AlsoSprachOdin said:

I don't get it either. They tend to just vote rather than explain.

What is there to explain? Posting inflammatory comments insulting "Nintendoboys" is obviously going to attract a lot of downvotes.

AlsoSprachOdin said:

I don't get it either. They tend to just vote rather than explain.

Downvoting is not, like, someone coming to key your car and slash your tires and steal every one of every sock out of your pair. It is not that deep and I don't get what's with the upsurge in people freaking out about having a post with like a -2 score, thinking there's some like conspiracy against them or bots or some shit. No, people just thought your comment was dumb, and it was probably dumb, that's it, move on with your day. If someone makes a low effort post, they shouldn't expect effort in reply, and there's nothing lower effort than just downvoting something I think is stupid. It's certainly a lot easier on me than explaining to someone who's not going to listen anyway that they should have never posted the comment.

In this case, no one knows who the fuck Merryweather or Nintendoboy are, or why these people greatly disapprove, and no one cares, no one wants to care, they just thought the post was dumb and wished to express it in the easiest way the site allows. Yeah let me just go over to a random picture on here and post some shit like "Goggleblonk in shambles", people will think I'm having a schizophrenic episode or that I'm 12 instead of asking me what I meant, and they'd downvote me, and they'd be correct to do so because it's not like I'm sparking rigorous conversation anyway by posting some impenetrably abstruse bullshit.

kongurous said:
Downvoting is not, like, someone coming to key your car and slash your tires and steal every one of every sock out of your pair.

I didn't say that. I didn't say any of that.

kongurous said:
No, people just thought your comment was dumb

Well, gee, excuse me.

AlsoSprachOdin said:

I didn't say that. I didn't say any of that.

And I didn't say you did, but if you go through the latest comments on this site with regularity, every day you will see multiple people having apoplectic fits blaming bots or reddit or some other non-existent boogeyman over being downvoted when it's a close to meaningless metric on this site and in the grand scheme of things.

kongurous said:

In this case, no one knows who the fuck Merryweather.

Merryweather as a content creator does exist on this platform, for your information. And a quick look at his posts related to the Nintendo switch shall be enough to understand what I was reffering to. If you don't care, move along.

kongurous said:
it's a close to meaningless metric on this site and in the grand scheme of things.

See, you say that, but on the other hand you also say downvotes mean people think your comment is dumb.

kongurous said:
No, people just thought your comment was dumb

It doesn't seem like a large leap to then assume a downvote represents someone saying "you're dumb". Now, strangers on the internet calling you dumb may indeed be meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but I wouldn't blame someone for taking some offense to it. I mean, just enough offense to say something like "I think that's rude", or indeed "They tend to just vote rather than explain".
And when you then seemingly take offense to people taking offense to being downvoted because people took offense to something they wrote, I think that's a bit paradoxical. Or a double-standard. I'm not entirely sure.

[edit] Maybe Sun Tzu has a point here.

FedorSh said:

Merryweather as a content creator does exist on this platform, for your information. And a quick look at his posts related to the Nintendo switch shall be enough to understand what I was reffering to. If you don't care, move along.

Okay? Most people still aren't going to recognize the name. The dude isn't a user here, either, and hasn't uploaded any of their own work to this site, for your information. The vast majority of artists whose work is uploaded here don't do it themselves, either, or with any knowledge it's been posted; you know that, right? You're not on any kind of high ground here, chief, pump those brakes. And yes, I plan to move along, it's... what I do the vast majority of the time. I read a comment, I go "that's dumb", I click the down arrow, I move on with my day. I've been actively browsing this site since 2009 and this is, like, my 31st post, but for some reason I let my brain gremlins win this time and decide to try to explain why people downvote instead of replying or whatever.

kongurous said:

Okay? Most people still aren't going to recognize the name. The dude isn't a user here, either, and hasn't uploaded any of their own work to this site, for your information. The vast majority of artists whose work is uploaded here don't do it themselves, either, or with any knowledge it's been posted; you know that, right? You're not on any kind of high ground here, chief, pump those brakes. And yes, I plan to move along, it's... what I do the vast majority of the time. I read a comment, I go "that's dumb", I click the down arrow, I move on with my day. I've been actively browsing this site since 2009 and this is, like, my 31st post, but for some reason I let my brain gremlins win this time and decide to try to explain why people downvote instead of replying or whatever.

Merryweather is a beloved artist, plenty of people would recognize them, especially here, where we're dedicated to archiving the hard work of artists. Just because you don't know who they are doesn't mean nobody else does. I don't even know why you would think being a user here or not automatically makes someone more recognizable to the userbase, as if the majority of lurkers give a shit about you or me and would recognize any of us beyond how often we comment. This is literally the first time I've even registered your existence, despite having seen some of your previous comments.

He didn't get downvoted because he brought up someone no one knows, he got downvoted because he threw shade at a completely unrelated artist for no reason. You look like a schizo when you have a chip on your shoulder for a random person on the internet that seems to be well liked by most people. More than likely, the majority of downvotes for his comments are by people that do know who Merryweather is, and don't appreciate the out of pocket insults, rather than just being random people who think his comment was "dumb" but have never heard of Merryweather.

blindVigil said:
I don't even know why you would think being a user here or not automatically makes someone more recognizable to the userbase, as if the majority of lurkers give a shit about you or me and would recognize any of us beyond how often we comment.

I don't. I was referring to calling Merryweather a content creator on this site like he's got his own channel here he uploads daily to. I found that phrasing odd and sought to comment against it.

kongurous said:

I don't. I was referring to calling Merryweather a content creator on this site like he's got his own channel here he uploads daily to. I found that phrasing odd and sought to comment against it.

Technically, he doesn't draw himself, he hires other artists for example Hinghoi, hence the term "content creator".

kongurous said:

I don't. I was referring to calling Merryweather a content creator on this site like he's got his own channel here he uploads daily to. I found that phrasing odd and sought to comment against it.

But you also claimed "no one knows who the fuck Merryweather or Nintendoboy are," which is clearly false. His arttag has over a thousand posts with more being added on a semi-regular basis. Many of them are comics, which often get their own pools, and which get moved to the front page every time they're updated. Most users that browse the site regularly would've at least seen it at one point. Your other points about how downvoters think are good, but you can't back up a sweeping claim like this.

I also never heard the term "Nintendoboy" before, but it doesn't take any effort to deduce it refers to people who are (in this user's eyes) stanning Nintendo. And if FedorSh was referring to the personification comics, the accusation doesn't make much sense considering Merryweather's taken shots at the Switch as well.

blindVigil said:

More than likely, the majority of downvotes for his comments are by people that do know who Merryweather is, and don't appreciate the out of pocket insults, rather than just being random people who think his comment was "dumb" but have never heard of Merryweather.

In fairness, we can't prove that any more than the assertion that most of the downvoters never heard of Merryweather. But the actual ratio doesn't matter in the end. If a user downvotes comments, either one is likely enough incentive for them to do so.

AlsoSprachOdin said:

I mean, just enough offense to say something like "I think that's rude", or indeed "They tend to just vote rather than explain".

I think this is reasonable in some situations. If a user does something like try to ask the artist something or say that the tags need to be updated, not realizing that most artist don't post the work themselves or that they can update the tags themselves, leaving a comment explaining things to them is a better approach. But acting antagonistic, especially unprompted, is socially unacceptable pretty much everywhere. They know what they're doing. They just don't care. Why waste an explanation on them?

Blank_User said:
But acting antagonistic, especially unprompted, is socially unacceptable pretty much everywhere.

Eh. What counts as "antagonistic" can wary rather substantially. I was once apprenticing in a job where I'd been told in advance that the tone could be rather harsh. Then in one conversation on the job I said something which is not important, what turned out to have been important was the way I had said it: Apparently I had "raised my voice", but I don't think it could have been by a lot, certainly a far ways from shouting, and I probably said "fuck" or "damn" (and this is not the states where some people actually take swearing seriously, this is in a country where we swear casually). But it was enough that the guy I was apprenticing with got all shocked as I was later told, and that was that apprenticeship. Honestly.
My point of that little anecdote: Some people [TRIGGER WARNING] [WARNING: COGNITO-HAZARD] [ABANDON ALL HOPE] are just pussies - I mean, uh, just don't have much figurative skin, even in contexts where you'd expect it. And other people's natural behavior is just too much for them. Hell, just look at the downvotes on my last comment - and that was me was being polite, I don't understand at all the logic behind that. I certainly wouldn't care if someone called me a "nintendoboy" even if I really liked nintendo, whereas others seem to think it is downright socially unacceptable. And when I say stuff like in the spoiler I don't even mean it like a real insult but I guarantee that someone will take offense.

AlsoSprachOdin said:

Eh. What counts as "antagonistic" can wary rather substantially. I was once apprenticing in a job where I'd been told in advance that the tone could be rather harsh. Then in one conversation on the job I said something which is not important, what turned out to have been important was the way I had said it: Apparently I had "raised my voice", but I don't think it could have been by a lot, certainly a far ways from shouting, and I probably said "fuck" or "damn" (and this is not the states where some people actually take swearing seriously, this is in a country where we swear casually). But it was enough that the guy I was apprenticing with got all shocked as I was later told, and that was that apprenticeship. Honestly.

Yes, losing an apprenticeship over something as minor as that sucks, but the social digression you apparently made (if you can even call it that) is quote different from this situation.

I'll rephrase my earlier statement. Acting intentionally antagonistic, such as insulting unrelated parties (Merryweather) and then complaining in response to bad reception, is frowned upon in the vast majority of places, with the main exception being places specifically designed to facilitate such behavior.

My point of that little anecdote: Some people [TRIGGER WARNING] [WARNING: COGNITO-HAZARD] [ABANDON ALL HOPE] are just pussies - I mean, uh, just don't have much figurative skin, even in contexts where you'd expect it. And other people's natural behavior is just too much for them. Hell, just look at the downvotes on my last comment - and that was me was being polite, I don't understand at all the logic behind that.

I have not downvoted a single comment here, so I can only guess, but I believe the reason you got as many downvotes as you did is because you came across as thinking the OP wasn't malicious, just misunderstood. You're criticizing the downvotes as being rude while seemingly ignoring the obvious rudeness from the OP. And if users don't think you're getting the point after multiple comments, politeness won't help you very much.

I certainly wouldn't care if someone called me a "nintendoboy" even if I really liked nintendo, whereas others seem to think it is downright socially unacceptable. And when I say stuff like in the spoiler I don't even mean it like a real insult but I guarantee that someone will take offense.

It's not about the words. You could replace "Nintentoboy" with "Nintendo fans," a 100% neutral term, and it would come across the same. It's the hostile intent, which is made even more obvious by the user's later comments, that is attracting the downvotes. As stated before, there is a good chance some of the downvoters did not feel targeted by the comments or were coming in defense of Merryweather, but were just against the unwarranted rage-baiting on principle.

Blank_User said:
You're criticizing the downvotes as being rude

No, I don't think I did that anywhere.

Blank_User said:
while seemingly ignoring the obvious rudeness from the OP.

Not my intent. Sure it might be "rudeness", but it's just not the kind of rudeness I'd personally bother to downvote. It seems like some pretty harmless, light internet banter. If it were a comment on a video from Ukraine mocking a guy being killed in some terrible way, then yeah that's a terrible attitude. But that first comment here just seems like nothing. So I didn't really understand the downvotes, nor do I really understand why I myself tend to get downvoted as much as I do, so I said I didn't get it.

Blank_User said:
Acting intentionally antagonistic, such as insulting unrelated parties (Merryweather) and then complaining in response to bad reception, is frowned upon in the vast majority of places

The very first comment got downvoted before any apparent complaining. FedorSh does complain later but that's after I said I didn't get it in response to his question.

Blank_User said:
And if users don't think you're getting the point after multiple comments, politeness won't help you very much.

Why not? I'd expect after all this that politeness was what people wanted.
And there being multiple comments certainly doesn't mean I should necessarily have to "get" anything, that's just not how any discussion works. I've made multiple comments, and I don't expect everyone to see things my way because of it.

AlsoSprachOdin said:

No, I don't think I did that anywhere.

My mistake. I was referring to when you said downvoting was equivalent to calling someone dumb. But it's not hard to assume that you would also think it's rude from that statement.

Not my intent. Sure it might be "rudeness", but it's just not the kind of rudeness I'd personally bother to downvote. It seems like some pretty harmless, light internet banter. If it were a comment on a video from Ukraine mocking a guy being killed in some terrible way, then yeah that's a terrible attitude. But that first comment here just seems like nothing. So I didn't really understand the downvotes, nor do I really understand why I myself tend to get downvoted as much as I do, so I said I didn't get it.

Even if it was meant to be lighthearted, there still wasn't any reason to take potshots at someone completely uninvolved. That's probably the position the downvoters held.

You can read topic #33735 for some tips on avoiding downvotes. If it's a large negative score (at least double digits), then you likely either said something controversial (which is okay) or did something wrong. If it's a low negative score, then you shouldn't worry about it too much. If you're getting negative scores on a lot of posts, see if you can find a pattern.

The very first comment got downvoted before any apparent complaining.

Well, it wouldn't make sense for the user to complain before getting downvoted.

FedorSh does complain later but that's after I said I didn't get it in response to his question.

The complaining I was referring to was in the second comment (or maybe it was just a taunt). You're probably thinking about the user's third comment in which they claimed someone was downvoting all their posts indiscriminately, which is against the rules, but is unrelated to the legitimate downvotes the user received here.

Why not? I'd expect after all this that politeness was what people wanted.

What I'm saying is that politeness can only do so much. Yes, it's better to be polite than rude, but there are still plenty of things that can't be smoothed over with politeness alone.

And there being multiple comments certainly doesn't mean I should necessarily have to "get" anything, that's just not how any discussion works. I've made multiple comments, and I don't expect everyone to see things my way because of it.

If the voters feel the explanation is obvious and have to repeat the same point multiple times, they may get impatient and downvote. I won't claim that it's always fair, but it is their right to feel that way and express it. That's all a downvote really is: a way for a user to express their disagreement. It does not necessarily mean they think the other person is stupid. I've seen users I think are generally intelligent make dumb comments before. It really isn't a big deal.

Such a war over just discussing consoles, when you could have a PC...

GongZigoton said:

Such a war over just discussing consoles, when you could have a PC...

Last I checked PC still doesn't have Bloodborne or Super Smash Bros.

bunkhead said:

Last I checked PC still doesn't have Bloodborne or Super Smash Bros.

That's why God gave us emulators, so that we can play the rare good console games without being tied to all kind of stupid crap, making accounts, updating to Playstation Prime for $19, dance for the motion detector, show your face for the age detection...
So that we can actually play video games.

Blank_User said:
I was referring to when you said downvoting was equivalent to calling someone dumb.

No, that was kongurous who said that, and I pointed out to him that he'd said that.

Blank_User said:
there still wasn't any reason to take potshots at someone completely uninvolved

Sure. As I tried to say, I was also in part talking about downvotes in general, not just the ones on the first comment here specifically.

Blank_User said:
Well, it wouldn't make sense for the user to complain before getting downvoted. [...] You're probably thinking about the user's third

I was saying that I didn't understand/agree with the downvotes FedorSh on his very first comment, which as you say preceded the complaining.

Blank_User said:
That's all a downvote really is: a way for a user to express their disagreement.

That's what you say. But clearly people do have different ideas of what a downvote represents. I kind of see it as booing, and kongurous said it means people think what you said was dumb. These are different flavors of disagreement, but those flavors can make a difference. When all you have is a number the flavor of disagreement is then left up to your own interpretation, which I think can be frustrating. And sometimes I'd like people to explain what the disagreement is about instead of just downvoting me.

Blank_User said:
If the voters feel the explanation is obvious and have to repeat the same point multiple times

I've only been talking to you and kongurous, and while I've spent some time clarifying myself I don't think you or kongurous have really done a lot of repeating. I suspect some people see it as a "side" thing, where I'm assumed to be on the "opposing side" and therefore should be downvoted.

FedorSh said:

Seems some dude just spent time of his life to downvote all my comments on this website. What a loser.

Says the hypocrite that is obsessing over downvotes, and completely ignoring that there's more than one person unamused with your "comments".
As the saying goes, "Only weaklings suffer no criticism"

hotmakiroll said:
As the saying goes, "Only weaklings suffer no criticism"

I think that was about politics as they were some time ago, not modern-day internet arguments. At least if you really are referring to Franz von Papen's 1934 Marburg speech as that quote seems to come from.
If someone calls you an asshole, I don't see what strength there is in just sitting meekly down and shutting up.
I'm not defending FedorSh, just disagreeing with this idea of yours.

AlsoSprachOdin said:

I think that was about politics as they were some time ago, not modern-day internet arguments. At least if you really are referring to Franz von Papen's 1934 Marburg speech as that quote seems to come from.
If someone calls you an asshole, I don't see what strength there is in just sitting meekly down and shutting up.
I'm not defending FedorSh, just disagreeing with this idea of yours.

If someone thinks you're an asshole then the best way to show them you're not is to not act like one. Engaging with the asshole calling you an asshole is exactly what an asshole would do.

Did I walk into a fucking war zone!?! Goddamn!!

bunkhead said:
Engaging with the asshole calling you an asshole is exactly what an asshole would do.

Not necessarily. It may well be ill-advised and a waste of time, but I don't think it makes you a bad person.

Tasty_power_move said:
Did I walk into a fucking war zone!?! Goddamn!!

I'd call it more of a minor internet argument.

AlsoSprachOdin said:

I think that was about politics as they were some time ago, not modern-day internet arguments.

Not sure what planet you're on, but that statement was never just about politics. Von Papen himself didn't invent it, and it applies to ANYONE that thinks they're above reproach, above the rules, and/or above the law. Period. It's as timely as even, especially in the internet era of 'echo chambers' that blocklist any dissent, political or otherwise (some people get a little too defensive with their fetishes, for example). Broaden your gaze, and you just might see the light.

I love finding random ass booru posts that just happen to have some apocalyptic shit spewing argument underneath that spirals into something completely unrelated, like finding a dollar bill on the ground

hotmakiroll said in comment #2569303:
that statement was never just about politics. Von Papen himself didn't invent it

Papen may not have been the first to come up with it, but it was about politics when he referred to it, and it can be made about politics any time someone wants to make it about politics. I certainly don't see why it couldn't.

hotmakiroll said:
it applies to ANYONE that thinks they're above reproach, above the rules, and/or above the law.

I think that's definitely applying it too broadly. Louis XIV, the "Sun King" was a very powerful monarch of his time and a very competent king, but as with a lot of kings of his time it was illegal for his subjects to insult him. if one of his subjects were caught calling him an asshole they might well be executed.
That's just one exception I can think of. Louis didn't tolerate being insulted, and he wasn't weak. Same with pretty much every Chinese emperor. In these cases it's not about weakness of character but of maintaining public fear/respect and thereby power. And if you would suggest this means the ruler's grip on power is weak and they are therefore a weakling, we can discuss the merits of the various means and ways of securing power, but at that point the saying is definitely about politics.

hotmakiroll said:
Broaden your gaze, and you just might see the light.

Dude, this is an argument about the exact meaning and merits of an old saying, not a matter of spiritual salvation. It's not like I don't think the saying has any merit, I just don't think it's always true or can't be applied incorrectly.

Tasty_power_move said in comment #2561695:

Did I walk into a fucking war zone!?! Goddamn!!

The post is about Sun-Tsu. War is to be expected at all times. Be wary, friend.