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Coga said:

I hope she was properly compensated, at the very least!

If we want to think long and hard about it, honey was one of the most sinful food alongside eggs...you didn't only take their housing, you took their unborn babies and the future food invested for those babies, put it on industrial centrifuge and spin it until the individual cells break, then filtered the beeswax until it's pure. If humans purely bred bees for the sake of preserving them as living creatures and not for honey, we honestly won't have any honeybee extinction crisis, ever.

Rathurue said:

If we want to think long and hard about it, honey was one of the most sinful food alongside eggs...you didn't only take their housing, you took their unborn babies and the future food invested for those babies, put it on industrial centrifuge and spin it until the individual cells break, then filtered the beeswax until it's pure. If humans purely bred bees for the sake of preserving them as living creatures and not for honey, we honestly won't have any honeybee extinction crisis, ever.

Where did this idea that honey comes from putting bee larva in a centrifuge come from? This is the second time I've heard someone say this, right down to specifically mentioning a centrifuge, and it's just blatantly not true. Honey and beeswax is made by the bees in the exact same way as it has been since before humans even existed, and they're more than happy to take acceptable losses of the stuff (which they instinctively overproduce anyway) to a "predator" that only cares for the manufactured stuff and doesn't actually want to hurt their larva. If they weren't, they would just... fly away, and build a nest elsewhere. Honeybees are some of the most well-treated of all domesticated animals, because there's no way for a beekeeper to prevent their bees from just leaving if they aren't happy with the conditions they're being kept in.

The thing that primarily threatens bees nowadays is pesticide overuse, which hits the bees as collateral damage when the flowers they visit are covered in poison. but that's something that you'd need to take the plant farmers to task over, rather than treating veganism like it's a totally blameless moral panacea.

Rathurue said:

If we want to think long and hard about it, honey was one of the most sinful food alongside eggs...you didn't only take their housing, you took their unborn babies and the future food invested for those babies, put it on industrial centrifuge and spin it until the individual cells break, then filtered the beeswax until it's pure. If humans purely bred bees for the sake of preserving them as living creatures and not for honey, we honestly won't have any honeybee extinction crisis, ever.

bees put honey in combs that no longer have larva. after a bee larva matures, its cell is repurposed for honey storage. if you want to denounce something then do it right, otherwise you just sound like an idiot

Rathurue said:

[...] you took their unborn babies and the future food invested for those babies, put it on industrial centrifuge and spin it until the individual cells break, [...]

You sure you're not confusing one of the processes they can de-maggot casu martzu with honey making?

qi said in comment #2505323:

bees put honey in combs that no longer have larva. after a bee larva matures, its cell is repurposed for honey storage. if you want to denounce something then do it right, otherwise you just sound like an idiot

not exactly right, sure this happens sometimes when the beekeeper reinsert old honey combs back in the hive
but in natural beekeeping like topbar, layens or warre hives, the bees store excess honey and nectar on the last frames away from the brood, irrespective if the comb is new or old.
the queen usually lay eggs in concentric circles from the closest frame to the entrance of the hive, and rarely go beyond a certain number of frames/combs, but in standard langstroth hives the top frames are called supers and are usually reserved for honey storage and there is a mesh called queen-exluder to make sure the queen doesn't use the honey super frames for the brood.

Rathurue said in comment #2505089:

If we want to think long and hard about it, honey was one of the most sinful food alongside eggs...you didn't only take their housing, you took their unborn babies and the future food invested for those babies, put it on industrial centrifuge and spin it until the individual cells break, then filtered the beeswax until it's pure. If humans purely bred bees for the sake of preserving them as living creatures and not for honey, we honestly won't have any honeybee extinction crisis, ever.

some have corrected some of the misunderstandings, but there are others not corrected.
modern extraction of honey with centrifuge is less destructive than what was practiced by humans since ancient times, and other animals like bears, honey badgers ...etc
as pointed out, most modern beekeeping methods including natural methods that don't involve any industrial tools pick combs that are used for extra honey storage, and most beekeepers arn't stupid to starve their bee colonies during winter, but usually summer bees don't live long, and only autumn born bees have enough fat in their body to last the winter till spring.
the bees that are threatened by extinction isnt the western honey bee, but the local honeybees in some places in africa and asia, and hundreds of species of wild bees all around the world including europe and americas, that live in small colonies or as individuals.

Nanau3 said in comment #2621790:

Not complaining, but Manjuu better not forget they still owe Rodney, Nagato and Mutsu retrofits too

I thought the introduction of META Rodney meant she was never gonna get a retrofit ;_;

I'm so happy, waited so long for this.

"A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one."

"if a beauty had a shape that will be you
My beloved BELFAST 🥰"
by: Shikikan

Nanau3 said in comment #2621790:

Not complaining, but Manjuu better not forget they still owe Rodney, Nagato and Mutsu retrofits too

Not before Enterprise, the single most refit deserving SR in the game.

Armathos said in comment #2624004:

Not before Enterprise, the single most refit deserving SR in the game.

I was talking about how Manjuu already gave 4 out of the 7 "Big 7" their retrofit, including Rodney's very own sister.

But you're right about that too, Enty also deserves her retrofit